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Thursday, January 10, 2008

The Persian Gulf Incident

You've probably seen the patched together dubbed video and the fake garbbled audio released by the Bush regime (do a google search if you wanna see that one).

update 1/11/08: The video released by the Bush regime is looking more and more like a fraud, just as the Iranian government said....

The audio was superimposed on the video - i.e. the audio and video sources are different - this is something a three year old might do, like taking a video of Einstein and making his voice and words sound like Bush.

Meanwhile, the New York Times reported

' The audio includes a statement that says, “I am coming to you,” and adds, “You will explode after a few minutes.” The voice was recorded from the internationally recognized channel for ship-to-ship communications, Navy officials have said. Naval and Pentagon officials have said that the video and audio were recorded separately, then combined. On Wednesday, Pentagon officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak officially, said they were still trying to determine if the transmission came from the speedboats or elsewhere.

Now, this is the video released by the Iranian government - that clearly shows the Iranian navy identifying themselves, and in communication with the US killership. Seems to me that the US just invented yet another stupid crisis 'cause they not even have any straws left to grasp at...

4 comment(s):

people will call this fake -- there are too many cuts -- some of the visual cuts happen without changes in the sound, implying more than one camera, so, still an edited/assembled video

By hapa, at 1/11/2008 01:46:00 AM
editing does not make something fake - nor does having multiple cameras, or even assembling footage.

fake, in this context, is to take an audio source, and a video source, and put them together as if they have taken place at the same time when they did not - that is a fake.

the main section of the US footage - was from two different sources -

the main section of this video (the naval patrol talking with the killership) is entirely in synch, unedited, and one camera.

(btw my resolution is to no have no more circular discussions).

By Anonymous, at 1/11/2008 02:21:00 AM
yes. two different sources and heavily redacted. dishonorable, with murderous intent, in an incredibly and obviously one-sided encounter, even with the cole bombing in the recent past. no dispute. i comment only on the material's appearance because i can judge its veracity only with my eyes. state-provided evidence is always worth doubting.

By hapa, at 1/11/2008 11:31:00 AM
depends which state - i am not as anti-statist as you might or might not be - my problem is with imperialism... and the US is, at this moment, the #1 imperialist power in the world. And so I would doubt everything that comes out of the mouth of the US, and its supporters and allies, including liberal imperialists - who often pose as "leftists" (some of whom are more Islamophobic than even the neo-con types).

It is worth pointing out this difference in viewpoint, because too often it is assumed that "they are all the same" - I don't buy that - there are fundamental differences in power, conduct, privileage (at the individual level) - history, religious and cultural values that would lead me to trust the veracity of some (including state) sources far more than others (of-course, not to say that there may not be some politicking going on there as well).

BUT i don't buy into blanket statements about "they're all the same" --- and all "states are worth doubting... " etc.

By Anonymous, at 1/11/2008 06:35:00 PM

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About وَالَّذِينَ جَاهَدُوا فِينَا لَنَهْدِيَنَّهُمْ سُبُلَنَا وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَمَعَ الْمُحْسِنِينَ Those who struggle for Us - We shall guide them on Our paths, and Allah is with those who do what is beautiful. (Quran 29:69) Home Ihsan front/main page Hajj Journey of Discovery Hajj feature page The Blessed Month of Dhul Hijjah Previous The Persian Gulf Incident Contributors redwood highlands RSS feed	Thursday, January 10, 2008 The Persian Gulf Incident You've probably seen the patched together dubbed video and the fake garbbled audio released by the Bush regime (do a google search if you wanna see that one). update 1/11/08: The video released by the Bush regime is looking more and more like a fraud, just as the Iranian government said.... The audio was superimposed on the video - i.e. the audio and video sources are different - this is something a three year old might do, like taking a video of Einstein and making his voice and words sound like Bush. Meanwhile, the New York Times reported ' The audio includes a statement that says, “I am coming to you,” and adds, “You will explode after a few minutes.” The voice was recorded from the internationally recognized channel for ship-to-ship communications, Navy officials have said. Naval and Pentagon officials have said that the video and audio were recorded separately, then combined. On Wednesday, Pentagon officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak officially, said they were still trying to determine if the transmission came from the speedboats or elsewhere. Now, this is the video released by the Iranian government - that clearly shows the Iranian navy identifying themselves, and in communication with the US killership. Seems to me that the US just invented yet another stupid crisis 'cause they not even have any straws left to grasp at... posted by redwood at 1/10/2008 02:48:00 AM 4 comment(s): people will call this fake -- there are too many cuts -- some of the visual cuts happen without changes in the sound, implying more than one camera, so, still an edited/assembled video By hapa, at 1/11/2008 01:46:00 AM editing does not make something fake - nor does having multiple cameras, or even assembling footage. fake, in this context, is to take an audio source, and a video source, and put them together as if they have taken place at the same time when they did not - that is a fake. the main section of the US footage - was from two different sources - the main section of this video (the naval patrol talking with the killership) is entirely in synch, unedited, and one camera. (btw my resolution is to no have no more circular discussions). By Anonymous, at 1/11/2008 02:21:00 AM yes. two different sources and heavily redacted. dishonorable, with murderous intent, in an incredibly and obviously one-sided encounter, even with the cole bombing in the recent past. no dispute. i comment only on the material's appearance because i can judge its veracity only with my eyes. state-provided evidence is always worth doubting. By hapa, at 1/11/2008 11:31:00 AM depends which state - i am not as anti-statist as you might or might not be - my problem is with imperialism... and the US is, at this moment, the #1 imperialist power in the world. And so I would doubt everything that comes out of the mouth of the US, and its supporters and allies, including liberal imperialists - who often pose as "leftists" (some of whom are more Islamophobic than even the neo-con types). It is worth pointing out this difference in viewpoint, because too often it is assumed that "they are all the same" - I don't buy that - there are fundamental differences in power, conduct, privileage (at the individual level) - history, religious and cultural values that would lead me to trust the veracity of some (including state) sources far more than others (of-course, not to say that there may not be some politicking going on there as well). BUT i don't buy into blanket statements about "they're all the same" --- and all "states are worth doubting... " etc. By Anonymous, at 1/11/2008 06:35:00 PM Post a Comment << Home	A reading list Click here for an Ihsan bloggers reading list on Amazon Podcast Click here to Listen/Subscribe to Ihsan Podcast on Itunes Cartoons Click on thumbnail

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